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Oct. 3rd, 2006

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This is [info]mizkit's fault; she posted on her LJ about how Harlequin deal with author input on book covers, and I felt the need to respond. Go read what she said, it's enlightening: Harlequin have a formal Art Fact Sheet that authors have to fill in for each book, which goes into the pipeline to the art director who presumably does the usual shuffling of commissioning cover artwork, graphic design for the text overlays, getting the blurb writer to supply copy, and so on.

No two publishers work the same way, and Harlequin are quite different from those publishers I've dealt with in the SF/F fields. In particular, I'd like to say that no author is responsible for what ends up on the cover of their book (unless they publish it themselves) but the degree to which they're consulted by the publisher varies wildly.

Here are my experiences:

1. Ace. $editor says, "do you have any preferences?" (Preferences can be vague -- "make this book visually different from the last, so readers don't mistake it for a sequel" [or vice versa] or explicit, but basically all that happens is $editor mentions the author's preferences to the art director, who rules with a whim of iron. (No disasters so far.)

Interestingly, Ace bought THE ATROCITY ARCHIVES after Golden Gryphon had put it out in hardback -- and it looks like the artist actually read the whole thing, cover to cover (and Got It). I've rarely seen a cover that worked so well or reflected the contents of the book so accurately. (I can't wait to see what they do with THE JENNIFER MORGUE!)

2. Tor. "Here's the cover for your next book -- do you like it?" Art director briefs external artist to prepare painting; no advance input solicited from author. On the other hand, feedback works: "if that's the heroine, you got her hair colour wrong" resulted in a subtle re-work on the final DJ. (I'll give them credit for being extremely busy but not large-corporate enough to implement something systematic like an AFS, and move on.)

3. Orbit. See Tor, above. My first two covers were great, my third cover sucked mildly (but not enough to scream and stamp and hold my breath over -- they were trying to go for a mainstream/crossover effect, and it didn't work in my opinion, but it wasn't a gouge-your-eyes-out mess that would justify risking pissing off my hard-working editor: it was merely low-side-of-average).

4. Golden Gryphon. Here, in small press land, the artist is as much of a major draw as the author, and gets his name on the DJ too: Steve Montiglio. And in both the books they published, we went through an exhaustive process whereby Steve would knock out some roughs covering a range of visual themes, and $editor and I would play "hotter", "no, colder" until we zeroed in on a final design. This was very much a case of the artist imposing their style on the concept (but having an MS to work from), rather than being given a brief by an art director, and while I can see this process being too time-consuming for a publisher with a busy schedule, it worked well. (The cover of THE ATROCITY ARCHIVE then had a horrible font dumped on it by the typesetter, but I whinged about this and THE JENNIFER MORGUE's DJ looks a whole lot better -- while still saying "I am a sequel to that other book".)

5. Subterranean Press: again, as with Golden Gryphon, the artist is a big draw; in the case of MISSILE GAP I got J. K. Potter, who read the novella then decided what he was going to do thematically. Again, there was some to-ing and fro-ing while $editor and I worked out what we wanted. I'm fairly happy with what we got.

General conclusion: if you demand input, the small presses will let you have it -- but they'll pick the artist, and they'll be demanding input, too. Larger publishers are less likely to give you much input, but if you express preferences they'll listen, and if you spot a big mistake, they'll often try to fix it.

If you're a published author, feel free to add your own experiences!

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From:[info]sraun
Date:October 3rd, 2006 12:48 pm (UTC)
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Sounds like you've had - in general - better luck / more input than Lois McMaster Bujold! For the most part, she says she's had next to no input on her covers - although that was true for her most recent. IIRC, in general, she likes her US covers (with the exception of the infamous Battle Nightie cover) - it's the foreign covers that she tends to look at and go 'this relates to the book how?' She's very pleased with the two covers for The Sharing Knife duology - they're actually two halves of one big cover painting, and it is very true to the book.
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From:[info]autopope
Date:October 3rd, 2006 01:28 pm (UTC)
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Oh, non-English language covers are another matter entirely! I forgot to talk about them.

A translated edition has a different set of cost constraints; the publisher is effectively having to pay a translator to re-write the book in the language of choice, and that's a highly specialized job. (As [info]annafdd can attest.) They also probably face a lower maximum projected turnover for the book because SF doesn't usually sell as well in other markets, or if it does, the markets are smaller than the English-speaking world.

So very often they just buy in the cover artwork from another publisher.

In Germany, Heyne have bolted fairly handsome SF covers on my SF novels -- gacked from cthulhu-only-knows-where, as they bear no relationship whatsoever to the books.

In France, Editions Robert Lafont have done reasonably tasteful covers for "The Family Trade" and "The Atrocity Archives", but they didn't ask me for any input whatsoever, and they're fairly generic (castle-on-a-hill and lovecraftian-shuffler-in-the-dark) rather than relating to the contents.

Editions Mnemos ... the artist who painted the covers for "Singularity Sky" and "Iron Sunrise" had clearly read the books, or at least the first three chapters of them, or was working to an extremely detailed brief. I can quibble with the style, but for documentary covers (portraying the content of the novel) they do what it says on the can.

The Japanese edition of "Singularity Sky" looks jolly interesting and I scratch my head over it, because the text is mostly in katakana, the format is utterly unlike anything you see in the west, and the design is, well, very Japanese. It tends towards the more abstract end of SFnal book design, but tastefully done.

I cannot comment on the Czech, Bulgarian, Russian or Spanish editions of my books because I haven't seen them.
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From:[info]fuzzyboo03
Date:October 3rd, 2006 01:55 pm (UTC)
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I remember a thread on her message board at Baen where she and a few of us were trying to figure out who the three "people" on a new cover were supposed to be. I think we figured one of them out but couldn't even settle on male or female for another.
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From:[info]seawasp
Date:October 3rd, 2006 01:59 pm (UTC)

My favorite...

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... BAD cover remains the German cover of, IIRC, "The Warrior's Apprentice"; Used Military Car Salesman Miles Vorkosigan at your service.
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From:[info]kip_w
Date:October 3rd, 2006 01:07 pm (UTC)
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David Mattingly always reads the books he illustrates, unless something has changed dramatically since I spoke to him last. One time, relatively early in his art career, he found out I was in an apa with Bob Vardeman and asked me to apologize to Bob for the misleading cover, which was more or less forced on him by the art director.
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From:[info]ratmmjess
Date:October 3rd, 2006 01:26 pm (UTC)
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I'm fortunate in that I've so far been published only by MonkeyBrain, and John Picacio, whose work I love, does most of their work. John always solicits input from the author--as much as possible--and always produces great work.

I've also had some experience with McFarland, who'll be publishing one of the books I'm working on now. I was published in one of their non-fiction anthologies in which the anthology editors designed their own cover, which McFarland rejected outright and replaced with a much, much uglier cover which didn't at all reflect what was in the book. Needless to say, I have no hopes for the cover for my book with them. But it's nonfiction, so cover won't matter as much.
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From:[info]briansiano
Date:October 3rd, 2006 01:27 pm (UTC)
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I had just the opposite experience with Philcon two years ago. Joe DeVito was the Artist GOH, and I'd taken on the job of typesetting the pocket program. And Joe'd given us permission to borrow some of his art from his website.

Most of the art available to us were covers for pocket paperbacks, and as you know, the artist usually makes the top 1/3 to 1/2 "dead" space for the title, sluglines, author credits, and the like. And while I could probably crop'n'snip the art to fit our pages... well, that dead space practically begged for something to fill it.

So-- with Joe's permission, and approval-- I laid in fake titles, publisher imprints, and back-cover copy that parodied fantasy/SF titles and back-cover copy. It looked very authentic, and it was my own little bit of creativity for the con. (Oh, and apart from Joe deVito, I didn't _tell_ anyone I was doing this.)

Dunno about the reaction, however. I was told Gordon van Gelder thought it was pretty funny (yay me). On the other hand, when we unpacked the boxes of the thing, one of our Con staff said it was really great that a publisher had paid for ad space on our pocket programs.
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From:[info]kjn
Date:October 3rd, 2006 01:58 pm (UTC)
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Sounds like the covers of "new" David Drake books kicking of new lines for Baen Books, most of them hysterical.
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From:[info]matociquala
Date:October 3rd, 2006 01:43 pm (UTC)
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Drat it, I wanted to link this, and you've locked it. *g*
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From:[info]autopope
Date:October 3rd, 2006 01:50 pm (UTC)
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I'll unlock it. Just this once, because you asked :)
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From:[info]seawasp
Date:October 3rd, 2006 01:52 pm (UTC)

My experiences...

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... thus far with Baen may not apply to the future -- more on that in a moment.

With _Digital Knight_ I was allowed some input, and was able to request a particular artist. I got the artist, but the cover had little-to-nothing to do with the contents of the book. (By squinting VERY hard and waving my hands fast I can imagine a scene like that which may have happened during the book [specifically, during the battle in Verne's house in "Viewed in a Harsh Light"], but it was never written about).

With "Mountain Magic" I had no input. Something which drastically disappointed both me and Eric, since we had, PERFECTLY IN CHARACTER AND IN PLOT, created the Ultimate Baen Cover Scene; a nearly-nude beautiful girl facing down a hideous monster in an exotic cavern setting. And then they go and give it a faux-40s pulp cover because it includes Kuttner's reprints. *sigh*

With "Boundary" neither of us had any input -- we didn't know who was doing the cover until I stumbled across him in a search. Interestingly enough, that's the cover which clearly DOES have something to do with the interior, albeit in a semi-abstract way.

The reason this may be unrelated to the future is that it was Jim Baen who selected most covers and controlled the artists in many cases. He was his own art director.
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From:[info]autopope
Date:October 3rd, 2006 02:10 pm (UTC)

Re: My experiences...

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He was his own art director.

And oh god, did it show.

(One hates to speak ill of the dead, but I can't think of a better argument for leaving art to the design folks than Baen's, er, corporate identity.)
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From:[info]triciasullivan
Date:October 3rd, 2006 02:16 pm (UTC)
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I've had very little input on my SF covers, although my former editor at then-Orion did consult with me on the images for SOMEONE TO WATCH OVER ME and DREAMING IN SMOKE. In America no input whatsoever.

The only time I've had real input on my covers was with Orion/Gollancz when they did my pseudonymous fantasies. For the first one, they showed me an artist's rough. I didn't like it and suggested a different concept. They showed me the artist's rough of this and I didn't like it either, so I sent them a sketch I'd drawn to give an idea of what I had in mind. The artist worked from this sketch and they generated the final cover.

Everyone hated it. And the book bombed, although there were lots of other reasons for that beyond the cover, I hasten to add.

Ever since then, I've made it a point to keep my mouth shut! (Although, in point of fact, the covers of my subsequent books with Orbit and Nightshade have been really cool so there was nothing to keep my mouth shut about.)
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From:[info]desperance
Date:October 3rd, 2006 02:28 pm (UTC)
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Umm. Ace. They turned my Outremer books from a UK trilogy into a 6-book series, used all three of the UK covers and then filled in the gaps with enlarged details from other covers by John Howe (who was, well, a little less than gruntled about it). Then they commissioned two new books. We had happy conversations about what should be on the cover, and what would be the right colour for an Ottoman woman's wedding dress, and how happy the art director would be when she heard the answer ("red! red!") - and then they did something entirely different, and made it look like a bad '70s Mills & Boon harem romance. Which it's not, it's a fantasy about terrorism & revolution.

I did ask my agent if there were any point complaining, and she said "none at all." So I didn't say a word, but I guess my silence got through; we have talked about the cover for vol 2, and I haven't seen it yet but the one thing my editor has stressed several times is that it will be by a different artist. We wait to see...

Other than that - well, I have twenty years' worth of covers, and hence stories, and this is Charlie's journal. Don't want to hog it. I'll post on the subject myself sometime.
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From:[info]davidbarnett
Date:October 3rd, 2006 02:58 pm (UTC)
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Only the one published book so far, but did have a lot of input into the cover. Immanion Press asked if I had any ideas; I did. I wanted the book title (Hinterland) on a street sign leading into a dark alley, illuminated by a street light. I drew said image using the Paint programme on my computer at work.

This is what came out

The original idea was probably not the most original in the world, but I like it.
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From:[info]autopope
Date:October 3rd, 2006 03:41 pm (UTC)
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That's not bad! Although Immanion is at that end of the sliding scale that's way out past Subterranean and Golden Gryphon into small press territory, so it's no surprise that input from the author got traction there.
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From:[info]ckd
Date:October 3rd, 2006 03:33 pm (UTC)
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In the annals of cover art woes, there's always the situation [info]lwe had with the Del Rey cover art for The Unwilling Warlord: it got the wrong painting!

Does J. K. Potter, your Subterranean Press cover artist, draw pictures of a Harry Rowling?
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From:[info]melissa_writing
Date:October 3rd, 2006 07:17 pm (UTC)
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(Found your blog via my agent Rachel's blog)

Since I'm in the cover design part of the process right now, I thought I'd share. My US house (HarperCollins) has invited input on the cover from day 1 of the process. I communicate with my editor and my designer regularly.

The process so far--
MAY/JUNE: Alison (Art Director/my Designer) routed her initial cover thoughts through my editor. We swapped ideas back & forth. I was consulted on the choice of photographers, images, et al

Start of AUG: I met Alison & her assistant in NYC. We talked, & I reiterated that I loved her ideas. She asked if I would like to pick the model for the cover.

Late AUG: I saw the mock-up. I liked it.

SEPT: The Powers That Be vetoed the Cover version 1.0; I saw Version 2.0 (which will be on the ARCs).

This week--I vetoed some ideas that the PTB suggested, compiled ideas for an "icon," picked a model for the newest cover (3.0), answered odd questions (incl what colour her nailpolish should be). The photo shoot with that model is on Friday.

I don't imagine I'll always get this sort of input or have it my foreign covers (although my Harper UK editor & I have spoken some already), but my US designer has been stellar about soliciting input and integrating it. I've been very, very lucky to have her--and tell her so often.

regards,

Melissa
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From:[info]kenyonsf
Date:October 4th, 2006 04:29 am (UTC)

Book covers from heaven

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Interesting stuff. I agree with most of what you said: been my experience too. However, just sold a four book series to Pyr, and they gave me the best cover of my life. Here's how it worked: my editor, Lou Anders, said, so what artists do you like? I was fairly stunned to even be asked. We kicked around ideas and he gave me websites of artists that he thought would suit the concept we were developing for the cover (yes, WE were developing... another first.) I fell in love with Stephan Martiniere's work, and Lou said, well then, let's do that. We gave the concept to Martiniere who, as you've said, imposed his style on my book--but I was hoping he would. He's a fabulist with great moody depths. Check it out at:http://pyrsf.blogspot.com/2006/09/feast-your-eyes-on-this-bright-of-sky.
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From:[info]julesjones
Date:October 4th, 2006 10:12 am (UTC)
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My experience is with erotic romance publisher Loose Id, primarily ebooks although they're experimenting with print. (Sales numbers -- several hundred per title so far on my books, although the house has some titles pushing RWA recognition levels. Very definitely the small end of small press, but good numbers for epublishing. There's a limit to what can be afforded, but they take their cover art extremely seriously as a sales tool.)

I do a cover art sheet with a questionaire covering the setting and tone of the book, appearance of the characters, what other covers have I liked, how much nudity I'm happy with, etc, etc. There's space to include some scenes from the book either as suggestions for the cover art, or to give the artist a feel for the characters. I get to see drafts and the proof, and can yell if I don't like something, but ultimately it's the art director's decision.

They do listen. One idea was scrapped because [info]predatrix, myself, and our editor all said, "Nooooo!!! That's completely wrong for the character!" A couple of others were tweaked because they weren't quite right.

I'm not enamoured of all the cover art at the house (at least one has been trashed at Smart Bitches...), but I've been happy with the ones on my books. (One set are very obviously Poser, but it's actually appropriate for that series.) And I adore the one I often use as an LJ icon.

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From:[info]johncwright
Date:October 4th, 2006 04:21 pm (UTC)

My happy history with book covers

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So far I have had seven covers, all from Tor Books, with Irene Gallo as the art director. I have been extraordinarily pleased with the results, and Miss Gallo wins my applause and admiration. Please excuse me if I run on, but the cover work has been very flattering to my humble books.

My first three books were cyberpunkish Space Opera called THE GOLDEN AGE, and the design was done by Shelley Eshkar, in a luminous and beautiful and eye-arresting computer graphic, a scene taken correctly from the manuscript. I was asked for input by my editor when the artist was having some writer's block (drawer's block?) about the visual idea for the third book. My ideas were not used.

SFBC came out with an omnibus trilogy-in-one version with a more classical-looking painting, which I thought, again, attractive the eye, told the reader what to expect, and was true to the manuscript. I cannot recall the artists name, but it was very well done.

On my French edition, the AI penguin in his flying goggles is pictures, as well as the double shadows caused by the twin suns of Earth, are pictured. My Portuguese cover shows the ring cities orbiting the Earth beneath an impressive titanic figure. So, if only in translation, someone read the manuscript.

My first fantasy, LAST GUARDIAN OF EVERNESS and MISTS OF EVERNESS, again displayed the same level of care and artistry: Justin Sweet was the artist here. The jackets for both books were true to the manuscript, followed each other to let the readers know it was a sequel, and could display to the reader from across a crowded bookstore what kind of book it was.

The science fantasy ORPHANS OF CHAOS and FUGITIVES OF CHAOS was done by Scott M. Fischer. I was so pleased with these covers that I looked up his email online to thank him personally. Even little details in the background are accurate and lovingly-portrayed. He did a credible job of showing a four-dimensional hypersphere in the first picture, and a shape-changer in mid-transformation in the second. I am tempted to have my books from now one star no one but cute blonds in schoolgirl uniforms, if only Mr. Fischer does the covers. Take a look: http://www.sff.net/people/john-c-wright/Book_Fugitives_Cover_Closeup.htm

The cover for FUGITIVES is so attractive, that I have it as my screen saver on my computer.

So far, I have not had any pink-flamingoes-in-Hobbiton style covers, no bimbos in metal brassieres, nothing tasteless, misleading, trite or even unimaginative. The art of book-jackets has improved so tremendously since the dark days of 1970, that words fail.

Yours, John C. Wright
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From:[info]cogitationitis
Date:October 7th, 2006 12:58 am (UTC)

Art by Committee

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At one point, I was NESFA Press's unofficial art director--or close to it. NESFA's a bit different in that they often use recycled art, though they're leaning more toward original art. The editor often has the most say in the final product, but about a dozen or two regular members might make a suggestion. And NESFA usually finds the artist, though we're happy to let the author make suggestions--so long as it's affordable. NESFA's art budget is extremely limited.

It's a little better nowadays, because we have a graphic artist designing our covers. But she doesn't always get a chance to see the art before layout.
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From:[info]msagara
Date:October 21st, 2006 05:58 am (UTC)
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I just wanted to add that although there is an art-fact sheet you don't actually have to fill it out and send it in. Which is to say, I'd read so many accounts of people who had filled them in and who didn't really like what they got that I didn't feel up to doing all the research to actually answer all the questions in order to have the answers be superfluous.

I'm not the world's mosts visual thinker, though.

With DAW, my experience is largely that I get a c-print of the painting when it gets handed in. But I did ask for the artist I currently have, and they agreed.

With Del Rey I had no say whatsoever.

With the BenBella reprints, though, I did get a lot of back and forth for the first book, which was interesting. The artist in question sent in the photoshop equivalent of compositional sketches, instead of the usual pencil variety. The best non-finished submission, though, was the one without any of the texture mappings -- my husband saw it and said "he's insane." I asked him why - and was told that people generally use electronic formats as a way of saving time and work, and given that he had modelled every architectural element in the cover, he was unlikely to be saving any time at all.
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From:[info]neighborboy
Date:December 24th, 2006 08:53 am (UTC)
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I have yet to publish a novel, but I edit Dungeon (one of the official D&D mags), and I thought I'd throw in my two cents, as writing adventure modules is only a breath away from fiction. (At least, when it's done right...)

With our mags, I think we strike a pretty decent balance in that, while the authors don't get any say in the art, we're sure to read the piece through at least once before sending a detailed description of each illustration to the artist (along with reference materials, if possible). We then go through at least one sketch phase to make sure that, whether or not the stylistic leanings of that particular artist worked out (and sometimes they don't), we at least get the details right.

As for the subject matter of the openers (covers are a whole different story, as each magazine contains several adventures), we always go with an illustration of what we think is the most visually striking moment in the adventure.

While I know we're going for a slightly different market than fiction, I'm curious which option folks think work better on sci-fi and fantasy novel covers: straight-from-the-text action scenes, or more artistic/thematic pieces?
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From:[info]erastes
Date:January 4th, 2007 09:59 pm (UTC)
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Well I have to say that my publisher was wonderful when it came to covers. I really disliked most of the covers that they'd done for their other writers, and it was clear that they had CGI artists and not painters working for them, I was a little worried. However they said, right from the start "What ideas do you have for the cover?" and of course, being me, I'd always had a vision of the cover - in the same way that I already have the movie cast...

And they just took that on board, I told them exactly what I wanted - a house, a gravel path, and it had to look a bit like an oil painting, and that's exactly what I got.

In retrospect, the only thing I would have changed is that I would have asked them to put a "picture frame" around the "picture" instead of leaving it white, but I'm very happy, and more so that the original vision that I had from the first line of writing the book was realised with the book

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Standish-Erastes/dp/1933720093
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